It finally dawned on me what has happened. I have been dating coach now close to decade, and i have been watching dating coaching as industry grow at very slow pace, only this year has i been seeing any significant change in prospective toward dating coaches. I keep trying to figure out the reason, since it didn't make any sense. There are still millions of singles, in new york alone 4 million are single, at least 10% of that are people who are able to paying for coaching, and probably want too. Why haven't they?
Lets look at it from a different angle, how many lawyers are there in NY? how many nail salons? bars? there are tens of thousands of lawyers, thousands of nail salons, tens of thousands of bars.
Now how many are the big, really develop dating coaching agencies in NY? two or three, and i assure none of us are making killing. At best, its good living. If there is so many people who can afford it, and in fact need it badly, why haven't it been that busy for even few agencies in NY that are there? Simple, peoples perception, dating coaches are viewed as pick up artists.
Why? here we have to thank the game and mystery show. Both are flashy, dazzling, fun, sexy, witty and incredibly negatively polarizing to anyone who is not in pick up world. It is very hard not to find some dirt on practically any pick up company. I did write up on Dr.Phill show on this blow few years ago, where they pretty much they made a laughing stock of love systems by bringing Ross "the creeper" Jeffries, love systems were smart and they played safe, playing up social aspect, and Dr.Phill was going along for first part of the show, and then he brought out the crazy Jeffries, and turned audience on the whole world of pick up. If you watch that show, you will see that crowd was partially supportive of love systems, but after Jeffies, there was only pure hate left.
Now lets trace it back to the game, the game came out, there was huge interest in media in the pick up artist world. Except when ever pick up artist would appear in media, there would either negative or at best, neutral spin. Even the good article would be laced with some words that can be taken as negative.
Lets define what is pick up artist is to average person - Dushbag, player, scum bag, manipulator, low life. If you mentioned anyone you were in pick up community, you would get immediate outpouring of hate on you.
Lets define dating coach- helps dating, improves social skills, social interactions, helps meeting new people, confidence boosting
Which one looks better? yes Dating coach, but which one is more exiting to write about? ahh, well pick up artist hands down. More tension, mystery, sex, excitement and a lot of controversy.
After the pick up artist show, it became almost comical at some point, people stopped taking pua seriously, more like a funny joke. Yet people bunched dating coaches and puas in the same boat.
It is very difficult to be taken seriously, when compared to puas.
Past few years it was getting better people begin to forget what puas are, and now it is about dating coach, next wave is coming up.
This is message for all coaching puas out there, if you are not a coach yourself but know someone, forward this post to him. This will make his work a lot easier and a lot more profitable.
The sooner you switch from pua lingo to normal talk, the sooner you will have more clients. Pua has reached its peak and has been in decline, the term pick up artist will never have a prestige, it never had it even at its peak. If you want to be part of the solution to the problem, start calling yourself dating coach, step away from "secrets of seduction" lingo and leave pick up community alone. Lets make it our battle cry, because until we do, people will be uncomfortable working with someone who's whole definition of profession is untrustworthy.
Wednesday, September 15, 2010
Monday, July 12, 2010
Has it been that long?
With this interactive start i will continue my on and off again flirting with this blog.
What does Simon spy? i spy amazing amount of commoditization going around the pua world. It is no longer the magical formula of early - mid 2000s, when a random person though his dating life will get transformed in 3 days of "intense seduction and attraction packed magical powder formula". I see a lot more people shopping around more especially if they are part of the community, they no longer buy 3 day of change spiel and rightfully so. There will be guys who will benefit tremendously from those 3 day workshops, except it will about 10% of them, and those guys usually already had socially elements down, they just needed for some one to tie them together. To those guys it almost irrelevant which program they take.
As i acurattely predicted about 3 years ago (self serving plug here) , pua industry is splintering into a lot of up and commers usually 1 or 2 men operations, who provide more personalized coaching then the bigger pua companies. I see some guys work for large company for few month (yes, literally few month, what a person can learn in a few is highly questionable) then go on an open their own company, of-course its better then "the original", at least according to the founder of the new company. There is a lot more to it, but i wouldn't want to bore you with the industry details.
In other news "The Game" will become a movie.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/25/the-game-neil-strauss-movie-adaptation/
What does Simon spy? i spy amazing amount of commoditization going around the pua world. It is no longer the magical formula of early - mid 2000s, when a random person though his dating life will get transformed in 3 days of "intense seduction and attraction packed magical powder formula". I see a lot more people shopping around more especially if they are part of the community, they no longer buy 3 day of change spiel and rightfully so. There will be guys who will benefit tremendously from those 3 day workshops, except it will about 10% of them, and those guys usually already had socially elements down, they just needed for some one to tie them together. To those guys it almost irrelevant which program they take.
As i acurattely predicted about 3 years ago (self serving plug here) , pua industry is splintering into a lot of up and commers usually 1 or 2 men operations, who provide more personalized coaching then the bigger pua companies. I see some guys work for large company for few month (yes, literally few month, what a person can learn in a few is highly questionable) then go on an open their own company, of-course its better then "the original", at least according to the founder of the new company. There is a lot more to it, but i wouldn't want to bore you with the industry details.
In other news "The Game" will become a movie.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/25/the-game-neil-strauss-movie-adaptation/
Saturday, January 30, 2010
2010 Is here
Life has been busy, i am as usually working on bit projects. I figured i will post some of my thoughts on the community and what i see happening.
Big companies like Love systems, RSD are getting hurt, it easy to see from the way they send out newsletters. Pickup and dating coaching is as luxury as it gets. Small and medium size companies are closing, after finding out that pick up is much much harder industry then it is in good times.
As i have predicted there is a lot more 1on1 concentration in community now, especially among small and medium players. The latest thing i have seen some guys do is give seminar and asking to donate or decided if they want to pay or not upon completion. This is what i call desperation, it means past sales strategies are not working.
I was also right about pick up guys moving to call themselves dating coaches, in fact it is going further then that, it is as if some companies want to leave pick up artist names behind all together. I dont know if some of them read my blog, or came to conclusion themselves but the move to dating coach term is very obvious.
In new york i see profilifration of small groups, my nyc wingmen used to be one of the few, but in the past year i have seen at least 10-15 new groups get started. That is a big difference. Cheap events seem to be the rage right now, seens you don't have to be good enough to teach, but you can still organize meetings and then maybe start teaching once you have solid following.
What i saw last year was panic in pick up community, as recession took hold, dating coaching while important is not food or sleep, it can wait. Thats what i see guys do now, they wait. Or if he cant wait he might do only one workshop, instead of do a few to see what is better for him.
Pick up artist didn't became a glamorous term and it never will.
Big companies like Love systems, RSD are getting hurt, it easy to see from the way they send out newsletters. Pickup and dating coaching is as luxury as it gets. Small and medium size companies are closing, after finding out that pick up is much much harder industry then it is in good times.
As i have predicted there is a lot more 1on1 concentration in community now, especially among small and medium players. The latest thing i have seen some guys do is give seminar and asking to donate or decided if they want to pay or not upon completion. This is what i call desperation, it means past sales strategies are not working.
I was also right about pick up guys moving to call themselves dating coaches, in fact it is going further then that, it is as if some companies want to leave pick up artist names behind all together. I dont know if some of them read my blog, or came to conclusion themselves but the move to dating coach term is very obvious.
In new york i see profilifration of small groups, my nyc wingmen used to be one of the few, but in the past year i have seen at least 10-15 new groups get started. That is a big difference. Cheap events seem to be the rage right now, seens you don't have to be good enough to teach, but you can still organize meetings and then maybe start teaching once you have solid following.
What i saw last year was panic in pick up community, as recession took hold, dating coaching while important is not food or sleep, it can wait. Thats what i see guys do now, they wait. Or if he cant wait he might do only one workshop, instead of do a few to see what is better for him.
Pick up artist didn't became a glamorous term and it never will.
Thursday, August 27, 2009
Some Domain Names for Pick Up and Dating Coach for Sale.
My partners and me decided to start selling some domain names we own, since we think it will do more good for people out there to develop them rather then us holding them.
Here you can see what other domains on pick up and dating coaching we have available, this is not our full list, please contact us for our full list or if you would like to find out more about one of the listed domain names. To find out more just simply respond to this post, you post will to be shown to public in this thead. All requests and offers will be kept privet and confidental.
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PickUpBootCamps.com
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PUAseminars.com
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KissClose.com
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ApproachingWoman.com
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BecomePUA.com
BePua.com
ChangeVenues.com
BuyingTemperture.com
Sarging.Us
AlphaPickUp.com
ApproachAGirl.com
PickUpBooks.com
PickUpBodyLanguage.com
IamPua.com
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PickUpSeduction.com
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PickUpRoutines.com
AlphaPua.com
PickUpManual.com
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Sunday, June 14, 2009
Me been gone long time. ;)
Sorry guys and gals, has been busy and not in the posting mind set. But now ready to post my thoughts.
Few things, pick up will never be big movement. It will be very big underground movement, but that's where it will stay, underground. Pick up gurus and wannabes, will have to move to larger movement, which is a dating coach, or be left underground, where the growth will be limited.
I covered before why its happening, and i was right, at the time it was just a prediction, it is turning to be right on the money.
Here is what i am seeing now in pick up community, more and more pick up guys, are renaming themselves into dating coaches. I am seeing women writing articles, about how to use pick up ideas, to establish value. I cant find the link to the article, but i seen it recently, where a woman used lingo of neging to raise her value over guy in flirting article.
I think people just becoming better aware of the social interactions. Consciously aware.
Over abundance of pick up "gurus" since most of those who say that, are not, is becoming clear, thought big and prominent once are still at the top. Here in NYC i see guys left and right announcing themselves next mysteries and promising to lead you on the path to great success with women. Then disappear few month later. Which means that people who are trully good and stick around will be far better positioned then people who come to "hit it and quit it". I have seen probably a dozen pick up guys open and close shop in past few years. Skill level of them varied, but in general most are confident but not very good.
Heck, it took me long enought to become really long time to be good at coaching, and i still learn something new every day.
Recession didnt affect people as i thought it would, people who need coaching, still will come to get it, and those who did't still don't. Thought some should. I might be taking steps to start branch into speed dating corner of the market, though it is pretty cut throat right now, so it will take some preparation.
I am seeing more women interested in coaching, which is very interesting. Mostly due to new VH1 show where a guy teaching women how to improve their social interactions.
Few things, pick up will never be big movement. It will be very big underground movement, but that's where it will stay, underground. Pick up gurus and wannabes, will have to move to larger movement, which is a dating coach, or be left underground, where the growth will be limited.
I covered before why its happening, and i was right, at the time it was just a prediction, it is turning to be right on the money.
Here is what i am seeing now in pick up community, more and more pick up guys, are renaming themselves into dating coaches. I am seeing women writing articles, about how to use pick up ideas, to establish value. I cant find the link to the article, but i seen it recently, where a woman used lingo of neging to raise her value over guy in flirting article.
I think people just becoming better aware of the social interactions. Consciously aware.
Over abundance of pick up "gurus" since most of those who say that, are not, is becoming clear, thought big and prominent once are still at the top. Here in NYC i see guys left and right announcing themselves next mysteries and promising to lead you on the path to great success with women. Then disappear few month later. Which means that people who are trully good and stick around will be far better positioned then people who come to "hit it and quit it". I have seen probably a dozen pick up guys open and close shop in past few years. Skill level of them varied, but in general most are confident but not very good.
Heck, it took me long enought to become really long time to be good at coaching, and i still learn something new every day.
Recession didnt affect people as i thought it would, people who need coaching, still will come to get it, and those who did't still don't. Thought some should. I might be taking steps to start branch into speed dating corner of the market, though it is pretty cut throat right now, so it will take some preparation.
I am seeing more women interested in coaching, which is very interesting. Mostly due to new VH1 show where a guy teaching women how to improve their social interactions.
Thursday, December 25, 2008
Dating in Society is changing ?
I have heard before people say, we are smarter now then ever before, and the case is, we really arent smarter. We have fancier technology, but mind wise we are same to people in 1000Bc and 0 Ad and 1000 AD. If you take any person from that time as baby and raise him in our world, he or she might look a bit different, but will be as inteligent as us. Some one have recently suggested me a book from 1937 on seduction. We are talking over 70 years ago., the name of the book "Lets Make Marry". A very interesting look into dating in early 20th century. Its more of a funny book, then dating advice, but it shows sociological views in meeting and dating of that period.
What is very interesting, and i dont think we give it much thought at all, how meeting and dating has existed since well, ever. There might be some arranged marriages in places like India, but over all there had to be 2 reasons for marriage and procreation. Survival (aka money, support, provider) and feelings (love, seduction, dating). How it was done, surely was different, but it has existed for ever. There are a lot more of "dance steps" now, since we don't have to work from dusk till dawn and therefore have more leisure time. It is very different then it was even 100 years ago, but everyone is in same boat, so nothing really changed, since while 100 years ago there might have been no online or very few phones, no one else had online or phones, so it was even for everyone. People who were active met more. Similarly now, we have online and phones, but so is everyone else have them.
I've been asked before, who has advantage in dating men or women. I will answer this question as i have answered it before. It is a very dumb question. This is not competition, men want to meet women and women want to meet men, guys have to approach, girl want relationship. It is not a competition, and if you dating someone and feel that it is too much effort, then chances are you shouldn't be dating that person. Same goes for meeting, if you approach a girl and it conversation feels like someone is pulling your teeth, then you should walk away, you will be doing yourself a favor.
What is very interesting, and i dont think we give it much thought at all, how meeting and dating has existed since well, ever. There might be some arranged marriages in places like India, but over all there had to be 2 reasons for marriage and procreation. Survival (aka money, support, provider) and feelings (love, seduction, dating). How it was done, surely was different, but it has existed for ever. There are a lot more of "dance steps" now, since we don't have to work from dusk till dawn and therefore have more leisure time. It is very different then it was even 100 years ago, but everyone is in same boat, so nothing really changed, since while 100 years ago there might have been no online or very few phones, no one else had online or phones, so it was even for everyone. People who were active met more. Similarly now, we have online and phones, but so is everyone else have them.
I've been asked before, who has advantage in dating men or women. I will answer this question as i have answered it before. It is a very dumb question. This is not competition, men want to meet women and women want to meet men, guys have to approach, girl want relationship. It is not a competition, and if you dating someone and feel that it is too much effort, then chances are you shouldn't be dating that person. Same goes for meeting, if you approach a girl and it conversation feels like someone is pulling your teeth, then you should walk away, you will be doing yourself a favor.
Friday, November 28, 2008
Kicking ass and taking numbers
Few people know that i used to do and teach martial arts for quiet some time, one of the most efficient and effective types too. What i found that a person cant just be intellectual without feeling adrenaline, feeling energy surge through him. I have been finding myself too soft lately, out of touch with my energy. I haven't trained seriously in martial arts for over a year, i do still train on occasion , but its a joke compared to what its trully needed. Same goes for dating, if you out of touch with your energy ,then you are out of touch with yourself. You cant date and connect because it is not you who they meeting, but a weaker shell. It is time to get out of my intectualized self, and go back to raw self, i feel me and my body needs it. I need to kick some ass.
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